The .32 has a slightly larger powder capacity and a shortened shoulder due to the expanded neck diameter but to the casual view, the cases look nearly identical. There's some load data for the 32 Special in the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual #3 but it looks like they don't stock the molds for any of the boolits listed. But decline of the once very popular 32's in general has ended demand for new manufacture, and our long time glut of these bullets at cheap prices is dwindling . … Expansion is generally desirable in defensive ammunition, but in the case of these expanding, .38 Special loads, it may also lead to shallow penetration. Glad you found some loads that work well for you. I have always stocked up in quantity when found cheap, and am glad now as they work great in 32-40 ( not crimped  but tight neck tension) ,of course 32 spcl, never shot 32 Rem. Do you have a copy of Waters' "Pet Loads." Surprising to me, it looked better than the IMR loads I had using 3031 and 4895.Have not seen loads for IMR 4227 powder in .32 Winchester Special .Are they light loads? I dont have the source to reference for this load but have been using about 16 gr new IMR 4227 Canada manufacture and RCBS 32 170 GC. The key to its innovation and performance is the patented elastomer Flex Tip ® technology of the FTX ® and MonoFlex ® bullets. Each month new loads are added to the database. appreciate all the help..Have a safe and happy week. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. When smokeless powder loads appeared, velocity was standardized (with the . #358429 Keith over 5 grains of Unique. NOTE: new posts are subject to administrator approval before being displayed, Currently Online: steve004, wally, dane62, Brad Dunbar, Tedk, Mark Johnson57 Guest(s), Moderators: Rob Kassab: 104, Georgia Hill: 1, Mike Whittenberger: 0, Trish J Smith: 2, Administrators: admin: 4, Mike Hager: 169, Bert H.: 10707, WinchesterCollector.org and/or cast? http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?91414-32-Winch-Special-w-321297 The Hornady 165 FTX bullet seems to be very available by me right now. I haven't spent a lot of time with the faster powders and I prefer to use something that fills a lot of the case when possible and the results are good. The Skeeter Load (7.5 grains Unique and a 250 -260 grain cast bullet) is widely used because Skeeter Skelton promoted it in many articles. Hand cast lead bullets for black powder and smokeless powder firearms. Also tried out a new load in my Model 1886 Winchester .45-70.That load worked out really well. Moving up to 36.0 grains gives the same accuracy and 1,825 fps, while 36.0 grains of BL-C (2) gives the same muzzle velocity as the lighter load of WW748 as well as the same accuracy. The .44 S&W Special was originally loaded with a 246-grain lead RN bullet over 26.0 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of 780 fps, which was a ballistic improvement over its parent cartridge, the .44 Russian. Please report as necessary and we will work through these issues. Rifle was shooting to the right.Tapped the rear sight till I got the rifle shooting close to the centre.Did not want to tap it again as it was so close ,I thought too hard of a tap would have it shooting to the left.Figured best ,to leave well enough alone. I haven't used the Hornady 170 although I have some here. Titegroup 1.445" OAL . Because Winchester lever action rifles lock at the rear of the bolt, it is generally recommended to full length resize cases. As far as any pet loads go I can't say as your gun is probably different than my gun. I am generally loading the lightest loads,  that will group at 300 M, Brad has been shooting 32 spcl with good posted result in this forum, lately and will likely chime in. These are ALL MAXIMUM LOADS: Start at 10% less and work up! AS for load data I have several books that have plenty of loads for all my other pistols .It is very limited when it comes to 32 acp ..If I am reloading pistol bullets I am almost always using cast bullets and I will need to get a good cast bullet book .Hey doc how much 32 acp data does the lyman 4th have in it . Most .38 Special slugs just don’t have the requisite energy to overcome the drag generated by the expanding projectile, so you get a larger diameter bullet that doesn’t go as deep. This makes LoadData.com an ever-changing web site. I never used any filler with 32 Spcl loads. All the loads are developed by the staff of Handloader magazine and the archives of Handloader and Rifle magazines. These have IMR information for you. Lately having good luck with 4227 as well. Note the pressures at the upper end loads here, You will need gas-checked bullets of Lyman #2 alloy or you will get gas jetting and poor accuracy from bullet failure at these pressures even with a good bullet fit that is .002-.003” over your slugged bore groove to groove diameter. The 170 Hornady FP over 34.0 grains of WW748 clocks out at 1,725 fps and groups just under 1″ at 45 yards. We make hardness optimized bullets for the velocity of the loads you shoot. Low 900's velocity. Sign up on Monday and there are new loads in the database by Friday. Our hard cast lead bullets shoot clean and won't lead your barrel We use cookies to improve your experience on this website and so that ads you see online can be tailored to your online browsing interests. Discover the Finest 32 Caliber Hard Cast Lead Bullets for your Reloading needs. http://levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45462 I haven't tried the faster burning powders in 32WS and haven't had the need to yet. For my heavier loads I go with either #2400 or IMR 4227. A popular Cowboy bullet is the 200-grain RNFP. And, For Any Hunter Worldwide, The Right Bullet Is ... (1) BACKORDERED Speer 32 Caliber 170 Grains FN SP Per 100 Md: 2259 Bullets. A hard to beat powder for 32-40, its best claim to fame, similar capacity, but straight sided. I neck size them. I think that the fact that low volume of powder needed in large capacity cases ,gives potential for a double charge, and the possibility for it to be used in old weaker guns has contributed to the declining recipe listings, and popularity of 4227. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. ALL 165 gr 170 gr. You mention "44 special" but are you looking at 44 Special loads or 44 Magnum loads? At 100 yards the figures are 1870 fps and 1320 ft. lbs. Powders include Hodgdon, Ramshot, IMR, Accurate .32 Winchester Special (Using 165/170 GR Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 43 loads. listings for 4227 are getting scarcer for many Cals and the newer manuals  often have reduced amounts listed. Yes the .32 Special has been in decline for quite sometime now.I dare say that reloading components will get harder to find in the future. I'm chasing 170gr gc loads now too, but with H4895 and RL7. My favorite load with this bullet is 7.5 grains of TiteGroup for a modest velocity of 745 fps, light recoil and one-hole groups. http://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/reloaders-reference/powder-company-manuals. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. The usual American factory loads give a 170 grain flat point bullet a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2250 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 1911 ft. lbs. I concluded, after assembling several hundred rounds, only two reloading steps require special attention. With all of those choices, it may be difficult to believe that a bullet as simple as the lead wadcutter may be the most effective round under some circumstances. The site has recently undergone some major maintenance and upgrades. Either IMR or Hodgens, I like the 170 jacketeds, which were cheap and abundant in Canada, now drying up , so am shooting more GC lead around the same weight with the same powders with good groups. Probably best in straight side and gently sloping shoulders. I have become a huge fan of IMR 4064 in the last few years. Bullet Type Primer. You get what you pay for and there is a reason that pure lead bulleted ammo is cheap to buy. Everything for old obsolete calibers and modern too! Thank you for your patience and understanding. My favorite cast bullet, from RCBS mold 32-98-FN, loads up at 1.420 inches, which is no problem for the Single-Six. Pressures were bumped to 21,000 CUP. This load is about 150 fps faster than the original .38 Special loading, plus the flat nose bullets are certainly more efficient than the original round nosed. Wolf, The .32 Special is a dandy cast bullet cartridge. Any One Have any Pet Loads for the 32 Winchester Special, http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/default.html, http://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/reloaders-reference/powder-company-manuals, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?56090-Reduced-velocity-loads-for-32-Winchester-special, http://levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45462, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?91414-32-Winch-Special-w-321297, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?271534-Exploring-the-32WS-Envelope&. Yes I read Brad's report.Most interesting. With the 265 gr bullet Id try 15 - 15.5 gr 2400. He also said that you could use .30-30 cast bullet data for the same weight bullet and not get into any trouble. I only had two shells loaded with IMR 4198,but it showed good promise as the two holes were very close together.IMR 4320 looked not bad either. So my load consists of a Dardas 158-grain, 0.358-inch-diameter, lead, flat-point bullet sitting on 3.5 grains of either Alliant Bullseye or Hodgdon’s HP-38 powder, with a Federal small pistol primer to light it off. Bob Stahl, Colorado Custom Cartridge, Bellvue, CO. Some cast bullet designs seated to the crimp groove may exceed the industry overall length recommendation of 1.350 inches; my Ruger will accommodate loaded lengths up to 1.455 inches, and the rare S&W Model K-32 in .32 H&R has an even longer cylinder. Great quality, very consistent and accurate! Of course, that was just over a century ago. Hi 28 gauge   I like 4198 for 32 spcl. Bullet Abbreviations User Loading Data. Talking to a fellow on the telephone a day or two ago who did not have any .32 Special bullets  in stock, but thought he could get some Hornady .32 Special bullets.Told him to get me two boxes.Missed out on two boxes of Winchester silvertip .32 Special bullets a fellow had advertised on a gun site.Another fellow beat me to the punch. My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . LEVERevolution ® represents a breakthrough in ammo design for lever action rifles and revolvers. My shooting is usually done off hand or at best resting the forend ,while I stand and shoot at 50 yards.Not looking for the hardest shooting load.Just something that looks good on paper. I've found quite a few older Speer 170 grain bullets from a few different sources in the last month and I will need to try them one of these days. Recently purchased a Model 64 Winchester in .32 Winchester  Special calibre.Had some loads made up that I tried out at the range today using the 170 grain Hornady bullet.They were okay,but I am thinking the rifle could do better.Any one have a pet load using the 170 grain bullet and IMR powder? The .32 Winchester Special (or .32 WS) is a rimmed cartridge created in October 1901 for use in the Winchester Model 94 lever-action rifle. I have a box of 170 grain Hornady that I purchased from Doug in Sask.Also was able to pick up a box at the last gun show I was to on the past weekend.Only box I saw at the show. Handloads not appreciably exceeding 900 fps with 100 grain bullets or 850 fps with 115 grain bullets are safe maximums for the Colt Police Positive Special, Army Special and early non-heat-treated S&W .32-20 Hand Ejectors. Nov 14, 2019 #9 Twicepop said: I've been loading the "Special" for several years, I've had really good results with a variety of bullets. We have a large variety of lead bullets for sale from .25 caliber to .577 caliber. #358477 and the 170-gr. http://castpics.net/subsite2/ByCaliber/Cast%20in%20the%20.32%20Special.pdf. To learn more, read my essay on The Differences Between Hard Cast and Lead Bullets. I have recently used Reloader 7 in 30WCF with 150s however. Heat treated Wheel Weight alloy and gas checked bullets would be sufficient also at these pressures. Yes, finding bullets for the .32 Winchester Special is not easy.Bought a box  of Hornady 170 grain bullets from two different places.That was all they had of any .32 Special bullets. So why would Winchester come out with a caliber that was so close to a successful number that was … Out to the range yesterday.Loads worked quite well,but getting a flyer every now and then.Most likely me.Best results with IMR 3031 and  IMR 4320. 32 CAL Reloading Hard Cast Lead Bullets. The changes are still being propagated, so you may run into some issues. Click on a term to search for related topics. AS for load data I have several books that have plenty of loads for all my other pistols .It is very limited when it comes to 32 acp ..If I am reloading pistol bullets I am almost always using cast bullets and I will need to get a good cast bullet book .Hey doc how much 32 … How I reload; Reloading Questions; About. They both shoot a 170 grain bullet at around 2200 fps or higher, depending on the load or advertised velocity by ammo makers. Heeled bullets, ringtail bullets, hollow base bullets for sale. With your 95-grain bullet 3.5 grains of Bullseye should be a good, safe, full-charge load about 900 fps. 32 Win Special 165 gr FTX ® LEVERevolution ® Item #82732 | 20/Box US Patent: 9,513,092 | 8,413,587 | 8,161,885 | 7,380,502. Bullet size is .360" lead in diameter. Cowboy Action has recently given the .44 Special a shot in the arm, and the lighter cast bullets further broaden the Special's appeal. There are dozens of modern .38 special and .357 magnum self-defense loads available that have been specifically designed with the snub nose revolver in mind. No I do not have a copy of Ken Waters ,Pet Loads,From the Woods. Both of these rounds are economical and mild shooting. Using bullets from Hornady FTX or FP. I am going to go back to 32WS sometime in the future and record some results, probably with another 1894 that I own. IMR 4064 is one of the IMR powders I do not have.Will have to get some to try the next chance I have to  pick some up. The .32 Special is an easy cartridge to reload. Cartridges; Factory Ammo; Guides . Last edited: Nov 14, 2019. riflewoman. For good full powder loads today while using a cast bullet, let me recommend the Lyman #321297 (you can find one sometimes on eBay) … With the 235 and 250 gr Skeeter Skeltons load of 7.5 gr Unique would be my choice. My lightest trail load for the .38 Special is assembled with two Lyman bullet designs, the 155-gr. Most of my loads for the .32 Winchester Special are easy-shooting rounds. 358430 (195 grain) round nose bullet that was used in the old 200 grain police loads as there is always interest in these. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?271534-Exploring-the-32WS-Envelope& Maybe an oops--Were you asking for jacketed data? http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/default.html. Recently purchased a Model 64 Winchester in .32 Winchester Special calibre.Had some loads made up that I tried out at the range today using the 170 grain Hornady bullet.They were okay,but I am thinking the rifle could do better.Any one have a pet load using the 170 grain bullet and IMR powder? I found 32WS to be a very nice cartridge to reload so far. Or did you work these out yourself ? Researching my load manuals, I discovered both Western and Hodgdon offer specific data for Berry’s plated bullets. They won’t blow up your gun, and you can shoot them all day without feeling beat up. I have loaded up some 77 gr RN lead bullets over 1.9 g of bullseye .the bullets have a coating on them (hi-tek)to prevent leading and lube the bullet .I will go to the range this week and let you know how it goes .Will also try some of the loads gt40doc sent me .thanks doc.......................Pat. This cartridge is based on the .30-30 Winchester cartridge of 1895, but differs from the .30-30 in bullet diameter. Haven't had enough of the Hornady bullets yet to try those. Should be able to find a few bullets at the next gun show I get to.Most likely that will not be until the fall.There are some sooner,but they are a bit farther away than I care to travel and we should soon get very busy at work for the summer. Early factory loads included an 85-grain JHP bullet at 1,100 fps (now listed at 1,120 fps) or a 95-grain lead SWC at 1,030 fps, a distinct improvement over the old.32 S&W Long that featured a 98-grain lead RN bullet at 705 fps (but often only produced around 625 to 650 fps in many revolvers). LOAD GUIDE FOR RIFLE AND HANDGUN EDITION 3.5 INCLUDES: • The most up-to-date and comprehensive 223 Rem data available • New data for: 30 AR, 30 T/C, and 6mmx45 PO B o x 158 • M iles C i t y, M o n tana 59301 RELOADING POWDERS Gun Care Products Other superior products History. Montana meets all of these and more. lee moulds; lyman moulds; Shop all lead bullet casting; lead bullets.358 dia.452 dia; Shop all lead bullets; loading bench. Do you use any filler when loading the 16 grains of IMR 4227 in the 32 Winchester Special,25-20? As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. Reason I ask is the mentioned 10 gr load of Unique under the 429421 is a midrange 44 Magnum level load. I haven't fooled with the .32 Winchester Special in many years, but the late Frank Marshall, Jr. said it would perform similarly with any bullet 140-180 grain flatnosed and powder charge listed for the .32-40 Winchester. flat point bullet Starline brass Winchester small pistol primer 3.5 gr. 5 Stars! Is that from a book I can buy? As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. As with any load data, start low and work up. It is similar in name but unrelated to the .32-20 Winchester cartridge (which is also known as .32 WCF). About; Disclaimer; Contact; Log in / Sign up.32 Winchester Special - Manufacturer Loading Data. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. I’ve also seen the Remington “FBI load” in 38 SPL, which features a pure lead bullet, lead foul barrels so badly as to render the firearm useless in terms of accuracy. 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